That We Must Wait for the Church to Decide Is an Absurdity – Fr. Paul Kramer

“…..the opinion expressed by some, (such as The Catacombs Forum), which asserts the necessity of an authoritative ‘judgment of the Church’  to resolve doubtful claims on the papacy, is quite absurd. Such a judgment of authority, in the absence of the authority of a certain pope, is a judgment that could not be made until a general consensus is first reached by means of private judgment which then becomes universal and thereby settles the doubt by reason of universal and peaceful acceptance. Without the doubt first being resolved in this manner, the doubt simply could not ever be resolved, since the judgment made by a doubtful authority would continue ad infinitum, unless there would already be a certain pope who can judge the question with authority and finality. It seems not to have occurred to those who posit the need for a judgment of authority to resolve the doubt, that if there exists a positive doubt about the validity of a putative pope’s claim on the papacy, that claimant’s jurisdiction is itself doubtful; and for so long as the doubt remains, there will be no certain authority on earth competent to rule on the question by an act of authority. Hence, in such cases when there is positive doubt about the validity of a claimant’s pontificate, the validity of the claim itself is doubtful, and therefore his jurisdiction is doubtful, and therefore the authority of his doubtful pontificate cannot be presumed valid: Papa dubius, Papa nullus. (A doubtful pope is no pope). In such a case when it cannot be determined that there is a certain pope, it is the general consensus of theologians, including St. Alphonsus, Ballerini, Bordoni, Pope Gregory XVI and many others who explain that the Apostolic See would be presumed vacant, and the interim authority would pertain to a Council to elect a pope. In fact, in such a situation, it is thus pronounced in the fourteenth session of the Council of Constance. The indefectibility of the Church guarantees that the Church will never err by universally rejecting the claim of a true pope and uniting to a false head.

“In the case of a manifestly pertinacious public heretic, the pertinacity itself is absolutely certain proof that the claimant is not a true pope even if he appears on the surface to have been validly elected and universally accepted. The opinion that such a one could validly occupy an ecclesiastical office directly opposes the Church’s teaching on the nature of heresy, as I have amply demonstrated in Volume One. Christ prescribed no directives to be observed in order to deal with a case of papal heresy; neither is there given in scripture or anywhere in apostolic tradition some precept for prosecuting and deposing a suspected pope-heretic who would still validly occupy the papal office, nor is there any law prescribing a procedure for expelling a pope who has fallen from office already by his heresy having ceased by himself to be pope; for which reason it is absolutely certain that divine law makes no allowance for a heretic to ever validly ascend to the throne of Peter, or for a valid pope to fall from the papacy because of heresy.”

Kramer, Paul. On the true and the false pope: The case against Bergoglio (pp. 179-180). Gondolin Press. Kindle Edition.

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  1. Thanks be to God for the faithful efforts of Fr Kramer in this most evil time of great apostasy and diabolic perversion of all, spiritual and temporal. These paragraphs state fixed, inherent truth, knowable by all men of right reason. Let us pray for holy priests, religious and a true pope to lead people away from apostasy and perdition and back to repentance, purging of all sin, to salvation. For the glory of God and the salvation of souls. Lord, God, have mercy upon us, forgive us our sins.


    Translated December 2019

    St. Frances of Rome’s
    Visions of Hell
    LIVES OF THE SAINTS pages 37 – 38

    Bad Preachers

    The torments endured by the bad priests are particularly terrible.

    The preachers who did not dare, by flattery, to rebuke what was wrong, or who, by mixing the false with the true, misled their listeners in some error, are held prisoner in a furnace full of darkness, snakes and filth, bitten and trampled by reptiles with cruelty.

    Those who have tried to please people by refusing to blame them for their vices, suffer an infamous punishment. Demons in the shape of dogs make their waste in front of them and this waste is then placed in their mouths. Afterwards, their tongues are torn off by these same executioners and their throats are filled with fire.

    Those who have mixed heretical proposals with the truth have their tongues, ears and heart ripped out by these same devils who look like dogs. After that they are laid in a bath of burning stones and are covered with them. While they are in this position, their torturers fill their mouths with lead, sulphur and liquid pitch mixed with several other materials.

    Those who are guilty of the sin of simony bear the same penalties, but in addition to them the demons pour between their lips molten gold and silver and address these bloody reproaches to them:
    – “Cursed souls, who during your earthly lives were charged with the righteous mission of preaching the heavenly truths, and who by your words of error, have cast so many souls into eternal torment, behold, you too are plunged into it as punishment for your perverse teachings.
    You are suffering from terrible torments. They will never stop…”

    These preachers, who have not known how to lead others or themselves into the ways of salvation, cry out in pain and curse the God whom they have misunderstood.

  3. We believe in GOD, THE FATHER ALMIGHTY, and in JESUS CHRIST, HIS ONLY SON, our LORD. . .
    We believe in the ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC, and APOSTOLIC CHURCH. . .

    We entirely reject the demonic and NON CATHOLIC bergoglio, his appointees, and all his accomplices. He, bergoglio, and all his appointees and all his accomplices are ANTI Catholic revolutionary ENEMIES OF JESUS CHRIST. The TRUTH established by JESUS CHRIST and HIS ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC, and APOSTOLIC CHURCH which HE INSTITUTED has established that bergoglio is an ANTIPOPE, a HERETIC, an APOSTATE, and an INVALID and FALSE pope.

    There is no TRUTH that bergoglio is now nor has ever been a legitimate pope; but with certainty bergoglio is a DESTROYER not only FORETOLD to us, but with right reason and right judgement, one is able to discern by means established infallibly and canonically by the ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC and APOSTOLIC CHURCH of all time.

    We reject bergoglio according to his manifest public and pertinacious heresies by the ANTIPOPE bergoglio himself and according to the authority and indefectibility of THE ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC, and APOSTOLIC TRUE CHURCH of JESUS CHRIST.


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