1. Yes, this persistent error needs to cease and desist. We see clearly (in multiple places from various dependable sources) that BOD and BOB are legitimate. Here’s one example from St. Thomas Aquinas: https://www.ccel.org/ccel/aquinas/summa.TP_Q66_A12.html#:~:text=9%3A14%3A%20%22The%20Blood,is%20not%20the%20most%20excellent.

    Also, it’s common sense that a catachumen, who possesses a strong desire for baptism, but dies before receiving it (since the process leading to baptism takes a little while), clearly intended to enter Jesus’s One True Church. This is not the same as presuming that all protestants are saved by virtue of some vague mumbling about loving God, yet possessing no desire whatsoever to enter His Church.

    Let us remember the many reasons to ignore the ridiculous legalists who submit some of these highly distracting and confusing arguments. Fr. Kramer once again is correct to refute them.

    • What do we make of Protestants who have already been baptized and decide to be Catholic but die beforehand? Are they damned or saved, having been already baptized? What is the cause of being saved, if they are not damned?

      I am not a feenyite. Just asking based on my study of Pius IX.

      • I think, practically speaking, this rarely ever occurs. I assume this would involve a Protestant who wished to become Catholic, but died a sudden death before reaching the confessional. Only God would know whether their conversion was authentic, that they died with a contrite heart, and were on their way to receive Confession and the Eucharist. Again, this scenario seems to be very rare. There’s also a remote possibility that Jesus would visit a soul at the moment of death and offer his grace (pending their acceptance of it), but we do not have good reason to believe this occurs often. The traditional teaching, of course, is that the better part of humanity (including baptized/confirmed Catholics) would not enjoy salvation (see: Doctrine of the Fewness of the Saved).


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